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Penalties imposed on two amateur German archaeologists
Egypt's antiquities ministry imposes penalties on two German amateur archaeologists who stole samples of King Khufu's cartouche from the great pyramid
Nevine El-Aref , Monday 25 Nov 2013
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Egypt's ministry of antiquities has decided to impose penalties on two German amateur archaeologists who stole samples of King Khufu's cartouche from a small compartment above his burial chamber in the great pyramid.

During a meeting Sunday, the Permanent Committee of the Ministry of the State of Antiquities (MSA) condemned such action and described it as a great violation of Egypt's ancient heritage, and the great pyramid in particular - the only surviving monument of the seven wonders of the ancient world.

Head of the Ancient Egyptian Antiquities Section at the MSA, Mohamed Abdel Maqsoud, told Ahram Online that the committee has prohibited any archaeological cooperation between the MSA and Dresden University, who supported the work of the German archaeologists, as well as the scientific laboratory where the stolen and smuggled samples were analysed.

The findings of both archaeologists have been rejected, as they were carried out by amateurs not expert archaeologists, Maqsoud asserted.

The results cast doubt on the construction date of the great pyramid and consequently the pharaoh for which it was built. The results suggest that the pyramid was built in an era preceding Khufu's reign.

"This is totally false and nonsensical," said Ahmed Saeed, professor of ancient Egyptian civilisation at Cairo University. He explains that accurate scientific research dates the cartouche within an era after the reign of Khufu.

He elaborates on the writing of the king's name in graffiti, maintaining it could have been written by the pyramid builders after construction, which might also explain why the king's short name and not his official title is inscribed. Alternatively, he suggests the cartouche could have been written during the Middle Kingdom era, due to the style of writing used.

MSA minister Mohamed Ibrahim referred the case against the two Germans to the prosecutor-general for further investigation, alleging that both amateur archaeologists had broken Egyptian law by entering the pyramid and taking the samples without permission from the MSA. They also smuggled the samples out of the country, in breach of international law and the UNESCO convention.

Ibrahim further requested that the Egyptian police and Interpol put the names of both German archaeologists on the airport watch-list.

The German embassy in Cairo responded to the incident in a press release, denouncing the actions of their two citizens and stating that the researchers are not affiliated with the embassy or the German Archaeological Institute, nor do they represent any official mission from Germany to Egypt.

The archaeological committee is now monitoring the loss and destruction made by both men in the great pyramid and to the cartouche.



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Thegamesabogey
19-12-2013 07:33pm
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Oh, the irony
On this very page there is a link to a story: "Giza Plateau cleared of garbage and dung". The plateau and canal systems have been covered in garbage for years. Where is the limestone coating? Where is the capstone? Simple answer: torn to shreds by Egyptians to build slums. Things are quiet now but go back 2-3 years and want to get into the Great Pyramid (supposing you haven't been able to beat the Japanese tourists)? Easy: just bribe the guy sat on a wall nearby smoking cigarettes. The Giza Plateau is the most magnificent tourist attraction in the world and is run by absolute amateurs, most prominent among them Hawass himself. Let's suppose Hawass is correct for a moment and that the Egyptians did build the GP. Well, if they were the same Egyptians who live in that land today, all I can say is that 'great fall' doesn't even begin to describe the decline in their civilisation. Egyptians should focus less on pride and ego (can they not read the Book of the Dead?) based on a distant past and sort out the mess their country is in now, not least the state of their archaeological sites. And, yes, I acknowledge that prominent Europeans have also caused terrible damage but nothing in comparison to the Egyptian people themselves.
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Basil Fawlty
19-12-2013 09:13pm
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Arabs
You are confusing the 2 races. There is no connection between the ancient Egyptians and the Arab invaders who now live in Egypt. Different races.
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Zoe
06-12-2013 10:30am
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Disrespectful
There is no justification for their actions in this situation, I think it's disgusting how something so old could be treated in such a way, especially by archaeologists!
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Etienne
20-12-2013 05:29am
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fool's paradise
What is really disrespectful is the Egyptians lying continuously. These archeologists want people to know the truth. And, by the way, they are not amateurs. Some people just don't like the truth...
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Dr.HeidiEgger
04-12-2013 05:26am
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On TRUE PYRAMIDS' AGE : How longer these lies ?
Of course we know pretty well now that PYRAMIDS ARE MORE THAN 10.000 (at least ) or probably more than 12.500 YEARS OLD ! So , either you accept so many CLUES we have now collected (including me !...) , either you're prooving to us as well as to the whole world , that in fact you seem very worried & bothered by these true results ..., because they just simply erase the LIES people who believe in monotheisms and such collection of affabulations written in certain old books like the Ancient Testament , the Thorah and all this kind of political nationalist pamphlets , are spreading all over the world and to their own "poor" children since several centuries !! ... But TRUTH is at last being revealed to the whole world, and we are affraid nor you, nor nobody will be able to stop it.
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Dr. Hossam M.K. Aboulfotouh
27-11-2013 07:40pm
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Debunking the Hypotheses of the Skeptic Anonymous
The inscriptions inside the Great Pyramid are not only those found in its antechambers. Some inscriptions were also found lately by Dr. Hawass and his team, after the door, at the end of the northern shaft of the so-called the queen's chamber; and no one can claim they are not from the days of constructing the Great Pyramid. One scholar suggested it is numeric hieratic notation, which I do not agree, for the reasons in my opinion here under. Besides, inside the antechambers, the inscriptions are haphazardly scattered on stones and some text are shown upside down, implying they were written on stones before construction. My opinion is that the upper part of three of the letters that follow the cartouche of Cheops, starting from "S" heading to the left-side of the text, precisely match what is found at the end of the shaft of the queen's chamber; saying to any skeptic anonymous: we "the ancient Egyptian builders" have written the name of our greatest king Cheops on the hidden faces of the stones of his pyramidal horizon, and one of those hidden faces are at the end of that shaft that is impossible to reach it by your hand and do so like us after its construction.
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alessandro demontis
28-12-2013 09:05pm
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found or fabricated?
just like the known cartouche was fabricated first by Vyse and in more recent time by Hawass and his staff, these newly discovered could be proven fabricated IF a simple chromatography of the pigments were allowed.
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Sam Enslow
27-11-2013 11:34am
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Not amateur archaeologists, but looters.
Illegally removing any object or defacing it in any way is not justified. Even if "new evidence" was produced, it would always be questioned because of a broken "chain of evidence." Those who engage in such activity are thieves, not amateur archaeologists. Avocational archaeologists often do excellent work following all standards for such research, and most often work in cooperation with professionals. I could write page after page criticizing the professional archaeological community in Egypt and the work and attitudes of the Supreme Council of Antiquities; however, their behavior doesn't justify illegal behavior or the defacing of monuments.
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Jonathan H.
27-11-2013 05:03am
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History must be revised as new evidence is revealed.
Ego is a RIDICULOUS reason to suppress evidence, especially if that evidence could help us better understand our history. It seems in almost every instance such as this, some archaeologists will try their hardest to discredit anyone who challenges the status quo, just because they don't want to acknowledge that after all the years they put into their studies, they might be wrong. It is a shame they are imposing such penalties, as if to say "if you try telling us we're wrong, we will do everything we can to ruin you."
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T Man
27-11-2013 04:07am
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Missing the key Rofl!
Some have said its a weapon, others a portal, some a tomb. I know where to dig. You don't. Too bad Egypt you will never know the truth rofl.
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LisaMills
27-11-2013 03:25am
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I thought we were all on the same ride.
This Earth is spinning and breathing and we all are sitting here riding it out until our souls take flight. In the meantime, the governments are playing power games with things that do not belong to anyone as the pyramids have out lasted all humans currently breathing and will likely be here long after each has departed. Those who want to bicker and claim possession are fooling themselves. If two very respectable scientist want to investigate this "wonder of the world" doing no harm but educating others as to their scientific finds, then those who try to harm them are only hampering education. I hope no one comes bounding in the classroom of their offspring to block the instruction of a quadratic formula because the instructor used a textbook that was not adopted by the school for reference. If we monitor knowledge by applying manmade rules then this world will experience a deficit of heroic leaders, as is happening. Don't halt learning, embrace it!
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gaby
27-11-2013 12:58am
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Hope finally
I don't understand why this wasn't done before but maybe we will finally get the TRUTH out!!! And I also wonder if this whole thing is just a way to turn people away from the actual research and focus on the fact that these guys have done something "wrong". I really hope that the lab will be able to establish that the pyramids are from at lest 10450BC as they should be. This will be the start of a new era. I just hope the lab is decent enough (they say they are independent) to give us the true results.
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Thegamesabogey
19-12-2013 07:46pm
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You misunderstand
The smoking gun is not that the sample may indicate an age pre-dating Khufu's reign. The smoking gun is that the graffiti was added long after Khufu's reign i.e. as an act of subterfuge. There is ample evidence supporting the case that both the Great Pyramid - and even more so the Sphinx - already existed during Khufu's reign. When Khufu reigned is not in doubt.
tuppennyblue
01-12-2013 09:20pm
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Umm...
It is most unlikely that the cartouche of Khufu will be found to date from 10450 BC.
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Daniel Tapia
27-11-2013 12:55am
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over 10,000 years ago
The pyramids were built long, long ago. It's sad that so-called educated people choose to ignore the facts. And the worst part is that those in power bully other so-called amateur archaeologists who try to challenge academia. Are the people who built the amazing pyramids also amateurs?
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Dada
27-01-2014 02:10am
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Thumbs up!
I was trying to give u a thumbs up but I think I may have hit the wrong button. Totally agree with u. The powers that be don't want to admit that they r wrong, they keep looking for more evidence to compound tag lie and dismiss actual evidence as fantastical. Between Hawass and Lehner, they modestly ( bah-haha) have spent enough time in lime light to convince uninformed masses that their verbal deification is real. Sad part is, are the masses ready to accept that we are not the most advanced society that has ever been on this planet and our gods are not who we think they were.

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